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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 621

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for the 5th of september 2020 richard

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saunders here with you from sydney

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australia

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no you you need not check your calendars

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or your clocks or

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think you've traveled a day into the

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future the skeptic zone is out

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one day early this week very good reason

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for that because i wanted to

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really promote skeptrak at dragoncon

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which is happening

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right now as i speak and

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that is a chock-a-block program for you

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to view

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on youtube of skeptical talks i'm giving

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a talk

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uh pretty soon and in fact if you're

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listening to this and it's before

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sunday morning in australia i'm speaking

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9 30 on sunday morning so this week's

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show

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is dedicated to skip track and some of

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the fun times and memories

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and basically promoting that skeptical

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outreach we're going to start with our

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new reporter

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jennifer hathawn who i met in atlanta

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georgia

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about a decade ago and she's going to be

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recounting some of her memories

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and the history of the skeptrak at

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dragoncon

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in atlanta georgia welcome jennifer to

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the skeptic zone

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and her segment's called here's my two

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cents worth

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after that i ease drop live

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so to speak with skeptrak as it's

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happening right now

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i speak to dr angie matki and derek

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and i was very lucky to get them between

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so to speak a live crossover to the uh

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to the virtual dragon con this year

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following that it's my report about

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skeptrek

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and the solano stroll from 2019

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as uh reported in the pages of the

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skeptic magazine the journal from

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australian skeptics

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find out my impressions of dragon con

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2019 and the wonderful solano

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street fair in berkeley california

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where i was lucky enough to take part in

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some skeptical outreach

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and if you go back about a year

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and if you go back here buddy and if you

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go back about a year on the skeptic zone

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podcast

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you can hear my live reports from those

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now because the show's out a day early

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an abbreviated show this is the

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the reader's digest version of the

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skeptic zone so it's not as long as the

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so uh people who didn't know really had

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uh chance to uh to tune into the live

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but now it's time for me to stay right

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switch on my youtube

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and keep watching skip track well i do

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all right i'll have a cup of coffee

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while i'm doing it maybe a pancake

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some toast i wonder if there are any

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i hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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with jennifer hathorne

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here's my two cents worth about

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dragoncon is the largest annual

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multimedia popular culture convention

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focusing on science science fiction

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it takes place in atlanta georgia on

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the convention got its start in 1987 as

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let me emphasize there are people here

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whatever you can think of there's a

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screen accurate stormtroopers there are

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and they commit to the role too i once

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character and it is that kind of

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every happy attendee i guarantee no

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matter the size or newness of your

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it was my very first time going to any

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convention and folks believe me when i

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tell you that i was blown away

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a real family atmosphere the years flew

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television and literature by day while

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than the last oh the places you'll go

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organization's goals are eliminating

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around non-belief in the black community

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skepchick is an organization

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thousands of adoring fans as you walk

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which most famously held the one million

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who could demonstrate evidence of any

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i was star struck and babbling the whole

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time and he listened he really listened

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speaking of the amazing randy i asked

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director for scientific skepticism at

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dragoncon if he had a favorite highlight

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at the last minute the same year that

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alice cooper was going to be there

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that it was james randy who helped form

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the alice cooper's signature look and

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and watch the on stage event where they

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i've been privileged to witness a

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community of amazing skeptic talent that

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events of the year in the u.s

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dragon con new people get to experience

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what it is like to attend a skeptical

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i'm delighted to say that our very own

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richard saunders will be speaking this

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year all the way from australia

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personally i plan on being there for as

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many panels as possible

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even if covet 19 keeps us physically

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distant

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and that my skeptical friends was my two

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cents worth

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until next time this is jennifer

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skepticon 2020 the australian skeptics

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skeptic activism workshop with joe

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community witnessing the false and often

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downright bizarre claims being made

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about

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health and medicine spurred on by the

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recent covert

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pandemic of course pseudoscientific

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areas of healthcare

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often causing harm or death as a result

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joe bettamu and mandy lee noble are no

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strangers to this working in fields

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often targeted by misinformation

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nursing she is a founding member of

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stopped the avn

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and co-authored several papers

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challenging anti-vaccination papers

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in the scientific literature joe is also

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a vice president

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of australian skeptics inc mandy lee

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noble is an accredited practicing

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and verified health at every size

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mandy looks after a range of clients

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including those with eating disorders

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ibs and chronic disease together

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joe and mandy will talk us through what

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we as a skeptical community can do

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to help fight for ethical and

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evidence-based approaches to healthcare

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in their skeptic activism workshop

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joe benamu and mandy lee noble just two

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of the speakers at skepticon 2020

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the australian skeptics national

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convention

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for more information and tickets visit

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www.skepticon.org

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dot a u

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and joining me now on the line direct

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direct from the skip track

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at dragoncon it's dr angie matkey hello

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angie

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hi richard how are you i'm really well

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i've got up especially early oh

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deary me because of the ridiculous time

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differences between here

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and atlanta you're in you're in the

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nerve center you're right there at

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dragon con

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well so to speak well we're at the

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virtual

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dragon con we're in the skeptic uh track

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held at

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calico studios which is mark ditzler's

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company he is kind and generous enough

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to give us

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the absolute best av that anywhere in

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the convention and so we are

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live streaming today tomorrow

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through monday uh and well monday in the

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us

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and um as far as we can tell we may be

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the only track that is streaming live

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everybody else seems to be posting their

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pre-recorded videos but we're doing it

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live

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well and i'm absolutely thrilled and

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delighted to be part of skeptrek

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uh this year and folks you can see me

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give a talk

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on sydney time it'll be sunday morning

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at 9 30 but check your

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guides and everything uh how's it been

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going so far

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so far we have been so lucky we had a

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couple of little technical glitches

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early but we've been doing fine ever

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since

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everyone has been so wonderful even

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accounting for time zones

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i'm in fact interviewing lynn kelly

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tonight from australia

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uh she is someone i have always wanted

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to get

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on dragon con but just the travel is

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just prohibitive sometimes

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and so i'm just delighted that we can

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have you

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and lynn and uh we've got leo iguay

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going to be calling in from nigeria on

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monday

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uh we've got um um uh

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we had a talk this morning from uh

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emergency physician

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in iowa on uh the relationship between

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love whiskey and adrenaline

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uh so these videos are all available on

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the

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skeptic track video feed

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at thevideo.skiptrack.com um

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these are the old videos and then you

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can also see these videos on the skeptic

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track

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feed on youtube i will certainly add to

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the link in the show notes folks but if

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you're listening to this show

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it's out a day early and if you're

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listening to it

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over the weekend go stop hit pause

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or listen to the rest of the show

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whatever you want to do and check out

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the live

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feed from dragoncon i love dragon con i

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was all geared up

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at the end of last year excitedly

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looking forward to this year 2020

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as people will hear in the next segment

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which is my report from about a year ago

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and folks i'm actually looking i've got

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a sneak peek i'm looking at dr

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angie you're standing in front of a

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green screen but before you were sort of

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turning the camera around

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i could see all the uh uh the amazing

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action there at the studios

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that's right wow that's right yeah it's

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it's really exciting to have everybody

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here we we've had

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we've had to oops we've had to um uh

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be very cautious about socializing

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because of covert we've all tested

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negatives so that we could have

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to get together and and um have our on

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our altogether discussion here comes

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derek i can see

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derrick collin coming my way my goodness

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me

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it's great to i don't know if he can

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hear me

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hi derek great to see you hello

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yeah he has injured his knee oh so he's

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limping around

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yes he always seems to injure himself

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around dragon con

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yeah i'm uh derek i'm

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i'm just telling i was just telling dr

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angie i'm putting the skeptic zone out

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uh 24 hours early this week which is

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very rare

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to make sure more people can tune in to

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uh to the scout track at dragoncon

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very cool yeah we have more stuff coming

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up

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in the next three days so indeed we've

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got uh

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some terrific speakers i'm very excited

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and

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we're excited to have you as part of our

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program we

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um have been working tirelessly mark

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ditzler is tearing his hair out

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which is actually pretty routine for him

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but but he always gives us such a great

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show we can't even complain about his

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method

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oh right we didn't have to rent a truck

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oh yeah of course

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well i i i i remember last year the

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setup was extraordinary and mark ditzer

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and his company certainly did

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a very worthwhile job there putting it

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all together it was just

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like being in a space station their

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control panel

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[Laughter]

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well look uh dr angie and derek i know

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you've got a ton of things to do it's

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wonderful to break into your

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evening or afternoon right now just

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quickly to update the skeptic's own

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listeners

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there a wonderful

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weekend of skepticism and outreach at

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dragoncon and

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i guess we can say well we hope we can

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all be together again in 2021 who knows

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i hope so richard i can't wait to see

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y'all and see you in person

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thank you so much for joining us on the

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on this live stream we're looking

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forward to having a chat

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uh officially all right and i think dr

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angie oddly enough you're going to be

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appearing on

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the next episode of the skeptic zone

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something about a a sick

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we'll see what happens next uh next week

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or about that

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but for now derek colenduno and dr

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angie mack here all the way over there

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in atlanta georgia

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get back to work and thank you very much

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for sparing some time for the skipping

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zone

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of course anytime thank you richard see

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you soon

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[Music]

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principles of curiosity is skeptoid

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media's 2017

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film that teaches an easy method anyone

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can use

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to tell fact from fiction and now

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it's available on amazon prime

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principles of curiosity teaches the

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three c's

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challenge consider and conclude as a way

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to learn

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what's real and what's just more pop

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culture nonsense

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from the fiery depths of death valley to

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the farthest reaches of space

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principles of curiosity puts the three

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c's

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to the test search amazon prime for

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principles of curiosity watch it

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enjoy it and give it a rating so it'll

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be suggested to other prime customers

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who need it principles of curiosity from

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skeptoid

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now available on amazon prime

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now as i said at the top of the show how

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i would love

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to be in atlanta georgia right now i

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know it's it's fun to be in the

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skeptic's own studios but i'd love to be

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in atlanta georgia right now taking part

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in dragon con

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in the uh the skype track it's a crazy

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experience and a wonderful chance for

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outreach so i thought i would read to

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you

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my official report for the skeptic

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magazine the journal from australian

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skeptics of course not to be confused

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with other magazines of the same name my

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report about last year's dragoncon

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dragoncon 2019

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and this report appears in the skeptic

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magazine

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volume 39 number four from december

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2019

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enter the dragon richard saunders

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reports on skepticism

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in the us dragoncon and

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the solano stroll

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eleven years ago during the filming of

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the tv show

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the one the search for australia's most

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gifted psychic

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i flew to las vegas to appear at the

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amazing meeting

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it was there i met derek colenduno

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and robin mccarthy who were famous in

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the skeptical world for their podcast

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skepticality at the time i was also

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planning to start a podcast to be called

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the skeptic zone so it was very good to

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meet and talk with them

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derek told me of another event held in

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atlanta georgia

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later in the year called dragoncon or

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dc a sort of

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fantasy sci-fi gaming tv movie

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fandom convention on a monumental scale

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before i knew it i was saving my pennies

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indeed the skeptic zone podcast had its

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first recording session

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at dc in the skype track

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a room dedicated to skeptical outreach a

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report from that year can be found in

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the pages of the skeptic

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december 2008 volume 28 number four i

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was to go back to skeptrac

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in 2009 and 2010

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fast forward to 2019 and after an

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absence of nine years i

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finally returned to atlanta derrick is

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still running the skeptrak

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with the aid of dr angie matki much

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was the same as it was all those years

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ago

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and much had changed drowning

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in people although i was warned that the

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event is

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much bigger than it was ten years ago i

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had trouble trying to comprehend

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how that could possibly be i remember

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being in a

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crush of thousands of people spread over

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many

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mega interconnected hotels not being

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able to use the lifts as they were full

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of

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wookies and other creatures from parts

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unknown

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in 2010 there were somewhere around

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30 000 people attending but the warning

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was correct

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the event has indeed grown in area

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now covering more hotels and other

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venues

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and in sheer number of people attending

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in 2019

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a record 85 000

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at times moving from one location to

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another proved to be a real challenge

641
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as a sea of people most of whom were in

642
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elaborate costumes

643
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acted as a human tide heading one way or

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another

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at the height of the crush i found the

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quickest way to get from one hotel to

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another

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was to run out into the street and find

649
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an e-scooter and zip around the side

650
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streets

651
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the e-scooters in downtown atlanta

652
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litter the footpaths

653
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but are an excellent if a bit dicey

654
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way of getting around putting all this

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madness and heat

656
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summer in atlanta is hot and muggy aside

657
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the reason i was at dc was to once again

658
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be part of skeptrak

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this is a large room on the first floor

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of the hilton hotel

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with skeptical talks and presentations

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every day

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over the four days of dc track is the

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name

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given to an area set aside for a certain

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theme

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so there was a science track an

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animation track horror track and so on

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anyone who has a general ticket can

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simply walk into the room

671
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find a seat and see the presentations

672
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this means the skeptrac room gets a lot

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of drop-ins

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people who stick their nose in to see

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what it's all about on their way to a

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star wars talk or to meet george takai

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00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,480
from star trek

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yes he was at the event as well as a

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smattering of other heroes and heroines

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from

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time and space derek put me on several

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panels

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including one on end of the world

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hysteria

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people for millennia have been preparing

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for the final curtain of planet earth

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00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,640
i recounted the time in the 1920s when

688
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an amphitheater

689
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was built at balmoral beach in sydney to

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welcome

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jesus christ as he strode on the waters

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of the harbour

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00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,559
hard to tell the truth from myth but it

694
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,000
gave the audience a laugh

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00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:34,480
the skeptic zone was featured as i did a

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live

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taping of the show all the talks at

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skiptrack were also sent out

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as live video streams on the internet i

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spoke

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a little about the history of the

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podcast and then interviewed my old

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friend

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margaret downey who was very active in

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the humanist community

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00:26:59,549 --> 00:26:54,080
in the usa you can watch this live

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video.skiptrack.org

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other highlights included me being a

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guest

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00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,559
rogue on two recordings of the skeptic's

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00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,320
guide to the universe podcast

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00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,880
attending other tracks and talks taking

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00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,000
part in the dc

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00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,279
street parade dressed as epicurious a

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greek philosopher from 200 bce and

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getting lost on the four or five huge

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floors of the vendors building

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one can buy everything from replica

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laser guns to artworks to whatever

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00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,360
you name it a big thanks to derek dr

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00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,520
angie and the hard-working technical

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00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:37,520
team at scope track

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hope to be back in 2020

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well as you know i am back i am back at

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dragoncon this year

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virtually and i'm very pleased to be

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00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:54,960
able to be

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00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,120
part of it again in one way or another

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00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,480
but this article goes on solano

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meanwhile on the other side of the us i

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00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,159
was invited to volunteer at the

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information stall

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of the bay area skeptics at the

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solano avenue stroll since 1974

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solano avenue and the twin cities of

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albany and berkeley california

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have hosted the solano avenue stroll

738
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one of the largest street festivals in

739
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the usa

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thousands of people march at a leisurely

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pace

742
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along the 3.5 kilometers of the fair

743
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stopping to visit the hundreds of small

744
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,520
stalls and tents along the way

745
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,399
with the crowds wandering by it is a

746
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,279
great opportunity for outreach

747
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:50,159
but how to get the punters to visit the

748
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stall

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00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,120
bay area skeptics have come up with a

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simple and fun way to get people

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00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:58,240
interested a test of one's psychic

752
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,200
powers

753
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,240
by way of telekinesis can

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00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,480
passersby influence the role of a

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00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:05,919
six-sided die

756
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,520
with mind power alone the test was

757
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:12,159
quick and easy as our would-be psychics

758
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,640
chose

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00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,440
in secret a number from one to six from

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a series of labeled

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00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,559
cards they put that card in an envelope

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and hid the other five cards under a

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bowl

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on the table then they would roll a die

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into the bowl

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ten times each time willing the die to

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rest

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with the chosen number face up after the

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00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,360
tenth roll

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the number they originally chose would

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00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,720
be shown and we would work out the maths

772
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:43,840
how many times were they successful

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00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,960
and what that meant statistically

774
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,200
needless to say at the end of the day

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00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:52,320
the results of the about 45 trials

776
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,960
fitted

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00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,679
nicely into the bell curve predicted by

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00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,520
pure random chance

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00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,159
there was no evidence of any paranormal

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00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,600
influence

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00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:04,159
no one seemed disappointed although one

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00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:04,720
woman

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00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,240
who scored four hits out of ten

784
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:11,600
said it confirmed what she already knew

785
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,120
that she was indeed psychic it was a

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busy but pleasant day

787
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,559
with people chatting to us to find out

788
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,640
more i noted that

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00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:23,120
more than a few people thought that we

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00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,679
must

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also be climate change skeptics the

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00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,000
curse of the word skeptic

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00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:31,039
being used in the mass media we also had

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00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:31,919
a

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they were the results of terrorism he

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00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:44,640
exploded

797
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,919
with a rant about professor so and so

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00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,080
proving that the micro dust could only

799
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,399
be produced by this or that explosive

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00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,080
and on and on and on

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00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,000
well i said calmly there you go

802
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,200
and smiled amazingly enough he shook his

803
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:02,960
head and stormed off

804
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,240
a victory for my sanity at least

805
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,720
thanks to dr eugenie scott and the bay

806
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,799
area skeptics for letting this blow in

807
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:11,919
from australia

808
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,269
and that was enter the dragon richard

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00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:21,919
saunders reports on skepticism in the us

810
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,549
and you can read that for yourself in

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the skeptic magazine

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00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:33,360
volume 39 number four and i think that

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00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,480
issue will be

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00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,679
online free to download in the coming

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00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,640
months but of course you can read many

816
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,480
back issues of the skeptic magazine

817
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:44,559
going back to 1981

818
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,029
and maybe you'd like to do what i did i

819
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,120
went to that page and i downloaded

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00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,320
the complete back catalog to my ipad

821
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,279
and put them in in the books app so

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00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:00,000
they're always

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there at my fingertips

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00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:13,509
hi there i'm abhijit and i host the

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rationable podcast on berationable.com

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every couple of weeks i science the hell

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out of alternative medicines

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health and nutrition fads social media

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forwards

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science news and lots more of course

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you can find all of my articles podcast

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00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:31,760
episodes and lots more

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00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:36,000
on www.berationable.com

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see you there and until then always be

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[Applause]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and now i hope

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00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,720
that sweated your appetite and you can

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join in on the interesting live

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presentations direct more or less

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sort of from dragon con and the skep

842
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,320
track coming up on next week's show the

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00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,399
strange case of a uh

844
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,480
a new age vet and a sick pussycat hmm

845
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,480
i don't know what that's all about and

846
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of course as ever i can't look into the

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00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,000
future so we'll just have to wait

848
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,840
and find out thank you to those people

849
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,679
and those new people who have uh

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00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,480
recently chimed in to support the

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00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,559
skeptic zone at patreon or paypal

852
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,960
if you go to skepticzone.tv and click

853
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,039
the obvious link

854
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,320
you can you can certainly help out there

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00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:43,600
and i must admit i think next year

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um you know the whole show well 90

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of it is actually produced off an ipad

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believe it or not

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uh and maybe maybe it's time that i

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i'd whatever model is coming next to the

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directly help keep the show going

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which is being fed into another unit

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very grateful indeed and it means that

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keep hopefully enjoying the show but for

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this week

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are not necessarily those of australian

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skeptics or

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hello to the people who listen after the

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music i haven't forgotten you

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i don't think we've done did we do this

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last week i can't remember no we didn't

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we didn't do this last week

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it's the dice game i roll a 10-sided die

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and you have three opportunities to uh

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foresee the number which has already

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happened by the time you hear this but

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that's just the quantum

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strange world we live in first number

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coming up

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oops first come keep dropping it here we

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go

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[Music]

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today's first number is six

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right six

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and if i ever see you in person once we

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get back to

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live talks and events and conferences

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and stuff

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come and say hello and i will give you a

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skeptic's own ten-sided die here we go

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next one

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next number is ten six and ten some

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people out there

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already have one i've given them over

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the years maybe they're playing along

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6 10 the last number coming up here we

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go

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oops nine

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there we go today's winning numbers